inconsistancies that drive me mad

besides my own ofcourse...

today we flew to sydney.
and well, as you do, when you get to the airport you are leaving from, you have to go thru security.
WELL!!!
In the last 7 years, i have had 3 totally different responses to deoderant cans. i think they were worried about my psychological condition after i reacted this time, but to be honest, im just over it!
So... if you have a deoderant can on you (in your bag say) heres what may happen
1 - nothing, they dont even check it
2 - they look to see if it has a lid on it, if it does they remove the lid and check the nosel to see if your somehow stashing something in it - not too sure, probably some kind of detonator
3 - they look to see if you have a lid, if you dont, they take it off you!!!
ARGH, make up your mind you idiots!
so another can bites the dust, i wish i had a lighter to pull out and show how blowtorches are not at all dangerous (excpet around wasps).

hottest 100... been and gone!

so...
let me start by saying, oopsy. by the time i realised i hadnt voted in the hottest 100 it was too late to vote. I had a busy coupla weeks there, and should have made some time for it... but oh well. there is absolutely no chance now of me honestly saying what i would have voted for, as i've seen the list. but i will make some comments. something i love to do.

the ommisions? yes... i'll start with who wasnt there.
where was holly? my beloved holly! she can get nomiated for best female in the arias, but not get a mention in the top 100? oh well... i guess i didnt vote, so i cant really complain! IF I just wack the song here with no comment, it simply means i like it and yay for them!

now lets work our way up... starting at
87... Ben Harper - Better Way. his only mention for this year. I think this is reflective of how good his latest album is/was. I like a couple of tunes on it, but yeah... bit of a non event me thinx.
79... Sarah Blasko - Explain. This is a brilliant tune, i can say i would have voted for it... oh well, at least it got a mention
71, 42, 19 + 10 - Grates! Good on em! They are tops people!
62... Justice Vs Simeon - We are your friends
58... Sarah Blasko - Always on this line. Yay again for Sarah, shame she didnt get higher... but oh well.
52... Herd - Unpredictable. I love these guys,so glad they got a mention!
37... Bob Evans - Don't you think its time
36... Bob Evans - Nowhere without you. I love Suburban songbook. Good to see songs like these 2 are getting votes! Adult contemporary album of the year, i always thought leaving home was a grown up tune too...
35... Lily Allen - LDN. My fave Lily Allen tune. Can I also mention now that i saw her doing a sweet version of it on sunrise the other day. she's pretty cool.
28... Saboteurs - Steady as she goes.
26... Camile - Ta Douleur. Great to see a frenchie in the mix! great album too.
24... Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Gold Lion. One of my favourite songs of the year! Yay!
21... Youth Group - Forver Young. So glad this didnt rate too high, i imagine if the vote was 6 months ago it would have!
20... Regina Spektor - Fidelity
17... Grates - Science is Golden. My fave by them by far!
16... Peter, Bjorn and John - Young Folks. Will I ever get that whilstling tune out of my head! its a bil tune!
14... OK Go - Here it goes again. the song is ok, the film clip is terrific!
13... My Chemical Romance - Welcome to the Black Parade.
11... Little Birdy - Come on Come on.
9... Muse - Starlight. This is the song that helped me realise that Muse rock!
8... Gotye - Heart's a Mess. Probably my song of the year! come on the Arias??
6... Gnarls Barkley - Crazy. Deserves the top 10. Great track, great producer!
5... Scissor Sisters - Don't feel like Dancing. Well I do, ok? Seriously... a great follow up album, brillinat. These guys knock my socks off!
4... Killers - When you were young. Another great track!
3... Hilltop Hood - Hard Road - I was picking this for number 1. Top track, their best by far.
2... Eskimo Joe - Balck Fingernails, Read Wine - I'm over this track. Top 10, maybe... top 20, sure... but not number 2. Oh well, if everyone agreed with me, it'd be a boring world!
1... Augie March - One Crowded Hour. WOW! I didnt see this coming at all. Great song, great band, reasonable album. Good to see a track like this get up there. Probably comparable with when No Aphrodisiac won back in 97? Very happy about it anyways!

what makes a good cover version?

coming to you from a blog named edgar, we ask the big questions, the tough questions... that is... what indeed makes a good cover of a song. I have to warn you all that this is a post filled with assumptions and possibly weak definitions that will have us all going... hmmmm

I believe that a good cover requires at least one of these 2 essential criteria...
1 - It pulls a song from unkown obscurity into a place where people can enjoy it and recognise how good it is.
2 - It is unique, is performed, arranged and delivered in a creative way that although still lets us see the original, it helps us apreciate it in a different light.

A couple of points of clarification...
1 - There is a difference between a tribute and a cover. A tribute should only be seen at a live show or on an album specifically dedicated to an artist. A tribute doesnt need to have either of the above criterium, and indeed, it could well be spoilt if it does.
There are some songs that should NEVER be covered, and really should only be delivered under the guise of a tribute. In my opinion these are the songs that music itself has been built on, and in general number few and far between.
2 - A remix, for the sake of the argument is generally a cover, although in some circumstances, if it helps ppl to be able to dance to it again would probably fall under the category of tribute (or... do we need a 3rd category, a tertiam quid if you like?)

Problems with these working definitions?
The most obvious if this idea of pulling something out of obscurity. There were probably actually people out there who had never heard american pie before madonna did it, but for some reason, that just doesnt seem right. On the other hand, huge fans of Wayne Cochran and the C.C riders may well be ofended to think that Pearl Jam did anything but defile their beloved "Last Kiss" (which charted quite high (number 1?) 99/00?).
So... its obviously contextual. Yet... does that mean that it will be best to do a cover? or a tribute?

Last thought for now, and I have a feeling that certain individuals will take the bait and respond here... but heres my last thought...
Is it OK to make money off a tribute album, or is it exploitation and oportunism. Should tributes, stay in the realms of charity? I think they should, but, to be honest, I havent really thought this one through all that much...

So either...
human nature are doing weak as covers, that dont really fit that category... or using tribute, to boost their careers and not pay homage to the originals (a la standing in the shadows of motown). or... are they bring these songs out of obscurity? its all possible... but I'm not too sure...
In my opinion not since Westlife's Uptown Girl has there been such an obvious rip off with no creative value (when maybe their is more of contextual gap in communicating that song when these guys do it?).

General Thoughts on the ARIAs 2006

OK... I just finished that mamoth post about clare bowditch, so i will go on to throw some other thoughts around.

1 - I believe, if you are good enough to get nominated for best album, you are good enough to perform. It would have been nice to see Augie March and The Sleepy Jackson get a go.

2 - Best Breakthrough? Is a bit subjective for my liking.

3 - Wolfmother. Glad they won 3 ARIAs. Also Glad they didnt win best album. I've talked about them lots, it will be good to see where they go from here.

4 - TV Rock. Will be a name that everyone will have forgotten in the not too distant future (Copland agrees with me, and basically, this point is more his than mine... go big fella).

5 - Eskimo Joe, were a little too excited for my liking to win the award (song of the year). Oh well, good luck to them. Its not like they have much shot at best group at the moment.

6 - Holly Throsby - YAY, nominated for best female. Glad Clare won it, but also glad that Holly got a mention!

7 - Human Nature... a bit tacky if you ask me.

8 - Midnight Oil, were very them... love for you to comment on that one grande.

9 - I loved the performance by Bernie, Clare and Kasey - the 3 part harmonies at the end were delicious.

10 - Bernard Fanning album of the year. I saw this coming. its not hard really. Its a good album, but for me, my vote for album of the year lies elsewhere.

Last Thoughts...
I'm so glad that it was balanced. I had this image of Wolfmother taking out 6 or 7... and well, no... they deserve 3, and thats good! Besides that... their acceptance speaches would have been insane by 6 or 7 wouldnt they?

official gold coast drive like an idiot day

As I drifted down the highway deeper into the gold coast I noticed something. People felt like they needed to outdo each other when it came to stupidity. I was tailgated, whilst I was going over the speed limit (by not too much) by at least 5 different cars. This even happened when I wasn't in the right lane. The traffic was flowing quite quickly (around 120), but I saw several cars going at least 140! Where were the cops?
The classic was one car that refused to give up on his tailgating, even holding down his horn for ages. Hats off to the guy who wouldnt move. I figure if your going 10 k's over the limit and thats not fast enough, then thats someone elses problem. The moron in question, once overtaking was too busy yelling out his window at the defiant one, to notice that he almost crashed, swerving into another lane. A little bit psycho!

All I can guess is that a higher frequency of idiots are around due to indy aproaching? I just dont know.

The Argh! RIA Awards

A nice big healthy dose of absolute frustration was dished out this year when the nominations for the ARIAs were anounced earlier this week. There are several things that you could find annoying, from absolute anomaly to just things that don't make sense. I have to admit that there are also things that I'm grateful for: I had this scary image of Shannon Noll and the Veronica's getting nomiated for best album. Thankfully some better judgement was in place there.

I wont beat round the bush any longer. My number one problem really has to do wtih the Sleepy Jackson. OK - I dont like them. Who cares really, its not like I like every artist that gets nominated for album of the year, but the sleepy jackson. I just dont get it. But moreso, what I don't get is how they get nomiated for album of the year, and not group of the year?!?! How on earth does this happen. Generally speaking, album of the year is made up of a choise of nomiations from group, male and female. This year you have 3 who were nominated for group, bernard fanning, and... that's right... the sleazy jackson.

The other huge problem I have with the whole best album, and group is that The Hiltop Hoods, didnt get in there! That is just wrong. The album is dead set brilliant! Yet on the other hand, they got nomiated for breakthru artist! Hello? "The Calling" their 2003 album went Gold? Is that not breakthru enough for ya?

Other gripes?
How Human Nature is more adult contemporary than Clare Bowditch I do not know.

thats all i can say cause the aria site isnt letting me in now??? I think it must know I'm having a whinge... All in all I love the ARIAs, but I'm not really looking forward to it too much this year due to some rather poor nominations, album of the year will without much thought at all be between wolfmother and bernie. i think wolfmother is good, but not that good, and for crying out loud, 3 arias in a row for bernard fanning already??? is the way we vote for arias the same as the way we vote for governments - yeah they've been doing a good job, lets keep them in.

we'll see. i might give sleepy jackson another listen to see if i can work out what on earth is going on there???

j award 2006 - mid year thoughts

anyone who has followed my reandom mutterings for a while would know that last year i took a particular interest in the J Award - that is, the australian album of the year according to triple j. check out my archive for december for some more thoughts on the whole thing.

anyways, im rather impressed in most part with the nominations for this year.
they are
living end
augie march
hilltop hoods
goyte
the grates

thoughts?

i would put the hard road (hilltop hoods) as the front runner at the moment. it does seem that there are alot of releases in the 2nd helf of the year, but that may just be my imagination. so who knows what will happen

augie march. decent album yes. nowhere near as good as sunset studies though. so in that light its not worthy of the award, but definately worth a mention in the top 12 - 15 or however many they list

living end??? i dunno so much about this one. to be honest i havent give n the album a huge listen. i imagine that it would be very hard for them to release an album that didnt get nominated. they are a great band (but no powderfinger).

the grates. ummmmm. i like some of their stuff, i love science is golden, and i go to church with john's (the guitarist's) grandmother. i also think that patience is a bit of a crazy dancer (well hey, so am i)

goyte! stay tuned for more entries on this genius! A very clever album. I've only just got it, so i cant say more than that at this point in time. but... "your hearts a mess" should be song of the year!

the hoods - its just brilliantly pieced together. look, to be honest, there are some songs on there that dont totally float my boat, but the value in them isnt lost on me.


so???
all in all i think the list is good at this point in time. not too sure if they've missed anything that should be there. future nominations? maybe something for kate? probably youth group... and the dark horse??? true calling from melbourne - everything i've heard about them makes it sound like their album is going to be a standout.

troubled and somewhat concerned

as i drift thru the hours of life, i have to say I'm a little concerned about the future of the christian faith. I'm a little concerned about things like this, where people are too busy cutting others down to promote their great structure that is their version of the faith.

and well, i was going to comment on that dudes blog (along with 50 or so others who are taking emerging christianity seriously), but i thought... and well... no... i wont comment there. i will comment here.

what frustrates me more than anything, is that tony jones is a person who has inspired me like crazy. i was flickin thru some old blog entires of mine and funily enuff it was a little over a year ago that i was saying how inspiring the guy is (here). so yeah...

that dude is obviously happy with his version of our faith, but im still exploring, and i've found a road to wander down that seems to hold hope.

sometimes hope is the only thing we have. but its a great thing to have

cricket and politics - a metaphor lurking?

John Howard - a Traditionalist? who would have thunk it?
Well, today good ol Johnny came out and said he didnt like Twenty20 Cricket! its here. Oh well, to each their own opinion I guess, I personally like the game and think it will lead to a place for a new style of cricketer (where we will seldom see test players playing Twenty20, as they are just so different).
Anyways... I got off track by actually talking about the game.

I wonder if why JH doesnt like the game is because he lives life, and in particular his political life more like Justin Langer in a Test (or maybe even more like Virender Sehwag) than Michael Clark, Andrew Symonds or Mike Hussey in the faster form of the game.

How?

Well, in Twenty20, if you dont get out, you are either playing perfectly; have the hand of God guiding every stroke; or, not playing properly (too slow). Its very common to smack some awesome shots, get a quick 40 - 80 runs and get out (or maybe a lot less runs).
Why?
Cause
THEY ARE DOING WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO!!!
THEY ARE GETTING THE JOB DONE!

In politics, they are so concerned about protecting their own backsides, that they often dont do what they need to do.

So sure, a bad politician doesnt keep the people happy (they dont meet the needs) - and i reckon JH is probably a good politician (please dont take that out of context)... he's good at getting re-elected, yeah? Where-as, maybe its when leaders do what is best for the country, they use their wisdom and... well... lead. take risks and do the right thing... then... they risk getting out (Gough).

having said all of that. maybe the new IR stuff is what John Howard and his band of Merry Right Wing Nutcases really thought they had to do. And well, if the opposition can get its act together (yeah right) then it wouldnt be hard to convince people that they are not better off with the IR reforms. But then, even if they did get elected, they wouldnt do what is right, what needs to be done...
why?
fear
if i do the right thing, there is a good chance i wont get re-elected.

and thats what our country is at the mercy of
as is every democracy

self interest

i don't know if i have ever said this and meant it before... but you're a facist

what do you do?
someone i know, who i have to interact with on a somewhat regular basis, in my opinion is a facist. The defining quality for this person is that they just totally ridicule and get stuck into anyone who thinks differently to them. i have tried being nice, but it hasnt achieved anything. so, now i just keep being nice and simply not expect anything. its a bit heart breaking at times to be honest, ive tried so hard. but i guess some people are just like that.
maybe im sounding a tad defeatist, but its been a long time of me just basically being a doormat.
oh well. you cant win em all.

magic dirt

in my opinion... magic dirt are one of the most overated australian acts of all time.

recording wise, all there songs pretty much sound the same. they kicked a goal with dirty jeans a few years ago, so they keep replicating it (by the way, i liked that one song of theirs)

live... i saw them at livid a few years back, and got real bored real quick. also, i have seen a couple of other clips of their shows, and well... they picked the best songs??? she doesnt stick to the melodies and the band is just predictable.

i wouldnt recomend going out of your way to see them

having said this, im sure they are all lovely people, and have nothing against them personally.

new mclaren stuff

so brian mclaren has a new book coming out called the secret message of jesus

and well, the book isnt out, all ive read is the publicists remarks... but...

i have to say that it really seems like he is just repackaging other people stuff, adding some coment and making it more accessible. i love the guy, his stuff has really cahnged my life, but really this book to me, looks like it will be N.T Wright repackaged. So maybe it would just be best to read the challenge of jesus, which might i add is an awesome book that will make you think an awful lot. now... in general mclaren seems to steer away from being too (too too) liberal, but i wouldnt be surprised if he hits on the themes of Marcus Borg in there too, which i can say meeting jesus again for the first time, is worth reading - but i dont subscribe to most of his thoughts, but see the worth in them, and some have actually helped my understanding of my faith (does that make me one of these guys? i dont think so). and lastly, for a great discussion of the cutting edge - the two guys Wright and Borg actually argue (in a spirit of friendship) in the meaning of jesus - which for anyone out there really wanting to explore who jesus was - from both sides of the argument (or the most scholarly arguments anyways) this book is for you.
anyways. back to mclaren...

on his site, he mentions another book he is working on another book called "the way of the ancient practices". and well i wonder if we look back a few years whether richard foster's celebration of discipline would be similar? and well... if we look a little more recently... Tony Jones's the sacred way pretty much covers the same content (by the looks of the new book anyway).

a fair amount of the content from the story we find ourselves in, (the whole theistic/deistic evolution position) a generous orthodoxy (again see richard foster) and the last word and the word after that (again i felt like i was reading a sumary of NT Wright or Walter Brueggemann in parts), is all repackaging. how long will this go on???

the books mclaren has his own authority on come down to experience in my opinion. a new kind of christian (an amazing work) is like the great sample bag of postmodern/emerging/whatever-theology and really seems to show his struggles in a fresh vulnerable light. i would also think that the church on the other side, finding faith and definately more ready than you realise (which i also highly recomend)are all much more packed with his own stuff...

having said all this. mclaren has a way with words, an amazing way with words that i can compare to few others personally (only eugene peterson comes to mind). i imagine his takes on these subject areas will change people, will certainly be more accessible than those he sources, and will probably spend a fair bit of time (in the apendixes) giving credit to those who deserve it.

all i can say is that mclaren is great, but maybe there are other great writers out there too. ones that arent really getting the credit they deserve due to a louder voice sharing their opinions. having said that, is it better for your ideas to get out there shared by someone else, or to not get out there at all? mclaren has a way of impacting people, and surely use other peoples stuff to do that cant be bad thing... can it?

nothing changes on new years day

i will begin again?

anyways, back at work. had a good time away at wooli.
dont have time to blog it now, but i will probably throw some thoughts down and backdate them soon.

hope everyones year is starting well
but
why do we celebrate this ridiculous construct
nothing changes at all, its just like going from one minute to another

James Dobson email

i received this email this afternoon

Dr. Dobson is going on CNBC to urge every Christian to get involved. I

hope you will think about signing this and forwarding to all your family

and friends. Dr. James Dobson, with Focus on the Family, pleads for our

action. An organization has been granted a Federal Hearing on the same

subject by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in Washington, DC.

Their petition, Number 2493, would ultimately pave the way to stop the

reading of the gospel of our Lord and Savior, on the airwaves of America.

They got 287,000 signatures to back their stand!

If this attempt is successful, all Sunday worship services being broadcast

on the radio or by television will be stopped. This group is also

campaigning to remove all Christmas programs and Christmas carols from

public schools!


You as a Christian can help! We are praying for at least 1 million

signatures. This would defeat their effort and show that there are many

Christians alive, well and concerned about our country.

As Christians, we must unite on this. Please don't take this lightly. We

ignored one lady once and lost prayer in our schools and in offices across

the nation. Please stand up for your religious freedom and let your voice

be heard. Together we can make a difference in our country while

creating an opportunity for the lost to know the Lord.

some thoughts
1 - the languageand tone it uses frustrates me to no end.
2 - relationships are the most important thing in our faith. not radio or television shows. i wonder how many relationships would be bruised if all my friends who dont prescribe to the teachings and life of Christ heard me referrring to them as "Lost". Thats quite arogant now isnt it...
3 - the years of greatest prosperity, growth and true spirituality for the church were (in my opinion) the first 300 or so of its existence. Personally i feel like the conversion of constantine (313) and more importantly his legalisation of Christianity as a religion, was a turning point in the downward direction for our faith. When it was more of a risk to follow Christ, it lead to deeper faith and suprisingly more followers. Its funny that the countries growing most these

Who cares about this stuff really? its not going to make a huge difference. I think James Dobson is living in the past, with practices that are becoming less and less relevant.

I imagine Sufjan Stevens and Bono are doing alot more for our faith than Switchfoot and Jars of Clay.

As a friend of mine once said "I'm sure more people found God thru the music of the Beatles than thru so called Christian music"

top albums poll

triple j finally posted the results of the top albums poll. its here

some thoughts... ofcourse i always have thoughts on these things...

1 - as always it seems amazing that the best album of the year was released recently. i guess this is inevitable with polls like this. (it was wolfmother by the way)

2 - Wolfmother? its like they are the great white hope at the moment. I like them but i think its all a bit silly at the moment. first they give them heaps of airplay (both music and interviews), then the J award, now this... its not suprising. I do think its a good album, but how unusual that i would disagree with the majority. its cool. i just wonder if all those that put it in their top 10 would still agree in april???

3 - 7 of the 15 nominations for the J award were in the top 20 (all but 1 in the top 50 - pivot missed out). Also in the top 20 were end of fashion and the cat empire. Now particularly in regards to Two Shoes by the Cat Empire, why wasnt it nominated for the J award? I feel like it was a better album that their last, and definately deserved acknowledgement from the Js.

4 - great to see that songs for silverman by ben folds got in the top 50 (at number 45). I rate it as one of the best for the year, and unfortunately the Js didnt spin it much. oh well, obviously others liked it too.

well check the list out for yourself anyways. these things are always interesting. something to whinge about or at least be hypercritical of. yeah??

does greener grass taste better?

im sure i will try and stuff that into a song somewhere along the line, i think it would work.
my point is... that things can always be better if only... but thats crap really!
life is what we are doing with it now, who we are now, why we are etc...

so my point?
im happy right now
i dont know if i failed that subject at college, and i feel like all my friends my age have disapeered (i miss you all - in order of distance away - BJ, Dan, Lyd, Caine, Sally, Mick, Bec, Mel, Grant, Copland), and well, i cant stop struggling with my dark side (the side that eats things that make me fat...)
but..

its all good
i have an amazing family (love you karz, mj and jumbles)
i have great friends (even if they are a thousand miles away - guitar chords anyone?)
i just got a new job (and probably a whole heap of new friends ???)
i feel like im in a good place right now, and when i look at it, ive been there for a long time, it just feels different.

dont mind me, im just feeling this way.
so after that what now... i think im going to call orgo (thats how i spell it get over it) cause i feel like it.

raisins

some more thoughts on the death penalty

going on in the comments of that original post a few days ago
its here

death penalty!

so here something interesting!
in many asian countries, if you bring drugs in (or out) you get the death penalty.
it seems the US has an interesting alternative... if you dont take your drugs (medication) then you get the death penalty. (see here)

maybe Hitler should have been more creative... it seems the US are exterminating Black people with lethal injections, the mentally ill with air marshals, and putting all the homosexuals in a ghetto (san fransisco) - maybe thats a little bit of a stretch? You go George W!

business council of australia

seen those ads on tele? the ones where the business council of australia is saying that we need new industrial relations cause the old one is over 100 years old, and is just patched up.

well thats cool. maybe we need a new constitution and legal system among other things. The arogance of it! new is not always better. You think a group of minds like that would have thought about their argument a little longer. But hang on... agree with this, so we can make more money, probably isnt an advertising campaign that would fly. or would it?

prioritise this

TV at the moment sucks. So, i ventured over to SBS - which i have been doing a bit lately. They had a great report on the response to Hurricane Katrina. Its funny how priorities effect things.

Basically they talked about FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) and how the director and most of the high up staff there were totally inexperienced when it came to disaster management. The guys that they appointed were just put there as political thankyous. It was a cushy, high paying job for friends of the whitehouse basically. And well... FEMA had been like this, from its conception (1979) till 1993 when something amazing happened.

Clinton decided to put staff in at FEMA that had experience with disaster management. So, he took James Witt from Arkansas, and he did a good job. Lets flash forward about 7 1/2 years, to George W Bush running for president. He says - that Witt had done a good job. And well, he had, so maybe that was the one smart thing George W has ever said...

So, the good dude (Witt) left when President Stupid got control of America. And then, what did Bush do. Appoint the mate of the Chief of Staff... Some guy who had no idea (Joe Albaugh)... Then what happened... Over the next 4 years, the Bush administration cut the funds the FEMA had for prevention programs, and basically turned them back into a toothless tiger, a face to blame when things go bad. ... left, then Mike Brown whod been the number 2 for a couple of years (another politician basically) gets appointed

Katrina hits. This poor director of FEMA (Mike Brown), the Governor of Lousiana and the Mayor of New Orleans all get grilled. Well... the FEMA guy lied like crazy, tried to make the Govenor and Mayor look stupid. And well, the FEMA dude did a poor job, sure... but...
WHY WAS HE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!

I guess what i wanna draw out of this is that in the US government, and ours... we need to seriously give prioritisation to things that matter. Dont just feather our own nests, but make things right, do things properly... now! (unlike Bush, who has finally now appointed someone who has experience in Disaster stuff after having 2 shockers - David Paulison - a fire department guy)

You know whats funny. Maybe at times... the church could learn from this too. Just maybe...

Well, when 93% of American Nazarenes vote Republican, its not hard to see what we have to learn, how and why we have to change.